Creation-Evolution debate

Created: 2012-05-31 10:45:10
shelbinator UK moderator Old Forum User Total posts: 2741 Status: Offline Date of Birth: 95-06-22 Total Earnings: $851.92	reply date: 2012-06-02 08:42:21 ” Firstly, there aren't really that many gaps left in the fossil record, I mean we even have the entire transition of the marine mammals middle ear along with the concurrent shift of the blowhole. On top of that, the fossil record is now supplementary to genetics which puts evolution beyond any reasonable doubt. If we had never found a fossil, common ancestry would have hit us on the head like a sackful of hammers the instant we discovered genomics.MrCross Yes, there may be marine animals, but there are still many animals we haven't got fossils of and won't get fossils of. Also many fossils have been damaged and destroyed by things like rock movements, time, human errors in retrieval etc There are many animals we still don't know existed. Not saying the theory is wrong, just pointing out every theory has it flaws Like we once thought the world was flat, and we got how the atom was wrong to, science is always changing everyday And the only way we'll ever be able to properly discover the truth is to accept that the stuff we say may not be right all the time ^__^
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MrCross US (AL) elite Used to the forums Total posts: 30 Status: Offline Date of Birth: 85-01-28 Total Earnings: $3870.83	reply date: 2012-06-15 16:23:10 ” Yes, there may be marine animals, but there are still many animals we haven't got fossils of and won't get fossils of. Also many fossils have been damaged and destroyed by things like rock movements, time, human errors in retrieval etcThere are many animals we still don't know existed.Not saying the theory is wrong, just pointing out every theory has it flawsLike we once thought the world was flat, and we got how the atom was wrong to, science is always changing everydayAnd the only way we'll ever be able to properly discover the truth is to accept that the stuff we say may not be right all the time ^__^shelbinator Given the rarity of fosslization we have more fossils than we should've reasonably expected. We're not really missing any of the major transitions either, I can think of a dozen each of fish-amphibian transitions and dinosaurs-bird transitions right off the top of my head. Flat earth was never a scientific theory, in science a theory is an explanatory model bolstered by positive evidence. They aren't just guesses like in the common vernacular.

shelbinator UK moderator Old Forum User Total posts: 2741 Status: Offline Date of Birth: 95-06-22 Total Earnings: $851.92	reply date: 2012-06-17 17:29:58 ” Given the rarity of fosslization we have more fossils than we should've reasonably expected. We're not really missing any of the major transitions either, I can think of a dozen each of fish-amphibian transitions and dinosaurs-bird transitions right off the top of my head. Flat earth was never a scientific theory, in science a theory is an explanatory model bolstered by positive evidence. They aren't just guesses like in the common vernacular.MrCross But we still don't have the entire jigsaw puzzle yet, all it takes is for one piece to come to the surface to change the way we look at things ^__^ But at the time scientists and people (even though corrupted by the church) believed that too be true So the evolutionary theory is just a model supported by evidence? So that means there could be room for it to be wrong?
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MrCross US (AL) elite Used to the forums Total posts: 30 Status: Offline Date of Birth: 85-01-28 Total Earnings: $3870.83	reply date: 2012-06-17 20:59:51 ” But we still don't have the entire jigsaw puzzle yet, all it takes is for one piece to come to the surface to change the way we look at things ^__^ But at the time scientists and people (even though corrupted by the church) believed that too be trueSo the evolutionary theory is just a model supported by evidence? So that means there could be room for it to be wrong?shelbinator Yeah, we really do. Genetics alone has put it beyond any reasonable doubt. It's technically falsifiable as per the standards of a scientific model but it's more likely that gravity would be disproved as it's actually less evidenced than evolution at this point.

jimfish UK elite Points2shop is my specialty Total posts: 1380 Status: Offline Total Earnings: $1274.05	reply date: 2012-06-18 05:36:03 Even if we never found any fossils, missing "jigsaw puzzle" pieces aside, evolution would still be a fact beyond all doubt. We've got delicious homology, tasty vestigiality, yummy pseudogenes, nutrious chromosome fusion, scrumptious hox genes and finger-licking good endogenous retroviruses. Creationists seem to desperately struggle with evolution, probably because they're so fixated on the notion that fossils are the only proof of evolution - if they can downplay the fossils, to them, evolution is disproved. It's why they tend to bring up Piltdown Man all the time as their trump card. Kinda embarassing, really.

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